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    Hi everyone. After numerous tests, I have had three doctors tell me that they are sure I have IC but I've not yet been officially diagnosed. I have just recently been able to get in to see a very well-respected female urologist that says it COULD be IC but that she wants to check other possibilities first before submitting me to painful, invasive tests. So far I've had 3 ultrasounds, too many urine cultures to count, 5 rounds of antibiotics and 2 CT scans (1 standard and 1 with contrast). I was PRAYING for a kidney stone but all tests came back "normal" or "grossly unremarkable."

    I had never had any bladder problems before two months ago. No UTI's, no pain, no frequency -- Nothing. Then literally overnight, I felt the symptoms of what seemed to be a bladder infection. I did test positive for Ecoli and was hopeful for some relief with the antibiotics. When they (Macrobid) didn't help, I was given Cipro. Again, hopeful that that was what would do the trick but that didn't help either. We do know I had an infection but no matter what, the extreme frequency has never gone away since that first day of the infection. In two months, I have not had one moment that I didn't feel like I have to pee. OAB medicine helps maybe a little but I'm still in the bathroom every 30-45 minutes.

    My uro suspected that there could be a stone stuck near my bladder that wasn't necessarily causing obstruction, but just irritation. Now that the scans show there is no stone, we know that it's something else. She told me that it could possibly be IC that I have but that in many, if not cases, people suffering with IC pee to get relief. She said that the bladder is irritated and it becomes more painful as the bladder fills up. I don't have the pain, pe se, but just feel like my bladder is full all the time, which is so very uncomfortable nevertheness. Uro said that a lot of IC patients with frequency issues will at least get a few minutes, even if only a very few, of relief after voiding. I don't. I've also not experienced pain after eating certain foods (I tried the IC diet for 6 weeks and saw zero change) and I don't have pain with sex.

    I guess what I'm trying to find out is whether anyone reading this has just frequency issues and if so, do you get ANY relief after peeing? And does it feel like your bladder is burning or otherwise hurting as it fills up? I have gone as long as 2 hours when I've forced myself to hold it just to see if I can and I don't have incontinence and the discomfort level never really varies. It's pretty much the same whether I've just peed or it's been an hour. Just always feels uncomfortably full. We're trying more tests to see if it is IC or something else but I cannot understand how I could be absolutely fine one day, and then peeing 30-40 times a day the next (and since). I've heard IC can come on suddenly, triggered by some initial infections or event but my uro says that's not typical and I'm wondering if that has happened to any of you or if it was a gradual thing for you, with several episodes of UTI's or other symptoms popping up here and there for a while? Or did your IC just hit one day out of the clear blue?

    Sorry for the long post but I am literally just trying to hang on right now. When I got the results of my CT scan today, I had a panic attack in the parking lot. I couldn't breathe. I've been crying at the drop of a hat for the past many weeks because I cannot wrap my head around the fact that this may be my life now. Any insight on the above questions would really be appreciated and maybe help me understand this all a little more.
    Diagnosed with IC in April 2011. Medications and IC treatments did not help, diagnosed with PFD in September of 2013. Still searching for answers as to why I have never-ending frequency/urgency issues.

    Current medications/treatments:
    Pelvic physical therapy, valium suppositories, b and o suppositories, acupuncture, probiotics, magnesium, epsom salt baths

    Previous medications/treatments:
    Elmiron, Hydroxizine, Elavil, VESIcare, Series of rescue instillations using Elmiron, water, lidocaine, & sodium bicarb and self-cathing with instills as needed, D-mannose, Glucosamine, Hyophen (generic Prosed), Colostrum, IC diet, PTNS, chiropractic treatments, Desert Harvest Aloe Vera, CystoProtek

  • #2
    Thank you, Briza. I really am overwhelmed but I also know I'm in the right place. I only recently registered and this is only my second post but I've been reading this board for at least a few months and there really are some wonderful people here.

    I've tried heat packs but they don't seem to do anything for the frequency which is really the main symptom I have. The AZO didn't help with that either and since I have no burning, that wasn't an issue to begin with. I did take cranberry pills when I was first diagnosed with a postive UTI culture but none since the first round of antibiotics. I also cut out any sodas, juice, and coffee (which is torture for me, btw). That's why I'm so confused: Food doesn't seem to affect my symptoms, nor does sex. I just always have to pee. OAB medications (Sanctura and Detrol) have not done much to help either. I just want to find out what is causing this and nobody can seem to find anything yet.
    Diagnosed with IC in April 2011. Medications and IC treatments did not help, diagnosed with PFD in September of 2013. Still searching for answers as to why I have never-ending frequency/urgency issues.

    Current medications/treatments:
    Pelvic physical therapy, valium suppositories, b and o suppositories, acupuncture, probiotics, magnesium, epsom salt baths

    Previous medications/treatments:
    Elmiron, Hydroxizine, Elavil, VESIcare, Series of rescue instillations using Elmiron, water, lidocaine, & sodium bicarb and self-cathing with instills as needed, D-mannose, Glucosamine, Hyophen (generic Prosed), Colostrum, IC diet, PTNS, chiropractic treatments, Desert Harvest Aloe Vera, CystoProtek

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    • #3
      Your symptoms sound so much like mine were when my IC started. I think it's great you've found a uro who wants to be so thorough about ruling every other possibility out. So, so smart.

      Hang in there. And please know that even if it is IC, there is hope and it gets better for most of us.
      Kim

      Diagnosed August 2001

      Current IC meds: Elmiron (since 2001), Levaquin (one pill after intercourse to prevent UTIs), Effexor (for depression & anxiety)


      Past IC meds: Amitriptyline (Elavil), Hydroxyzine (Vistaril), Detrol LA, Lexapro (for depression & anxiety, but also helped my IC) (They all helped, but I was able to discontinue them.)

      I've been virtually symptom free and able to eat & drink whatever I'd like for about 8 years now.

      *****************************

      “We who lived in concentration camps can remember the men who walked through the huts comforting others, giving away their last piece of bread. They may have been few in number, but they offer sufficient proof that everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms -- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way.” ~ Viktor Frankl

      “You cannot control what happens to you, but you can control your attitude toward what happens to you, and in that, you will be mastering change rather than allowing it to master you.” ~ Brian Tracy

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      • #4
        Thank you, Briza and vm. Getting encouragement like you're giving me is really what it keeping me going at the moment. I need to know it gets better because right now I'm pretty much housebound due to the frequency and even watching TV is hard because I can't get comfortable and all I think about it "I have to pee. I have to pee." 24/7. I know I cannot live like this and so far everything we've tried has really done nothing to help. Knowing that there may be SOMETHING that can allow me to do some normal things again is comforting.

        vm, so your IC came on suddenly, too?
        Diagnosed with IC in April 2011. Medications and IC treatments did not help, diagnosed with PFD in September of 2013. Still searching for answers as to why I have never-ending frequency/urgency issues.

        Current medications/treatments:
        Pelvic physical therapy, valium suppositories, b and o suppositories, acupuncture, probiotics, magnesium, epsom salt baths

        Previous medications/treatments:
        Elmiron, Hydroxizine, Elavil, VESIcare, Series of rescue instillations using Elmiron, water, lidocaine, & sodium bicarb and self-cathing with instills as needed, D-mannose, Glucosamine, Hyophen (generic Prosed), Colostrum, IC diet, PTNS, chiropractic treatments, Desert Harvest Aloe Vera, CystoProtek

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        • #5
          Yep. I think maybe my c-section a month before triggered it, but one day I was fine - the next BAM. You can read my story, it's linked below.
          Kim

          Diagnosed August 2001

          Current IC meds: Elmiron (since 2001), Levaquin (one pill after intercourse to prevent UTIs), Effexor (for depression & anxiety)


          Past IC meds: Amitriptyline (Elavil), Hydroxyzine (Vistaril), Detrol LA, Lexapro (for depression & anxiety, but also helped my IC) (They all helped, but I was able to discontinue them.)

          I've been virtually symptom free and able to eat & drink whatever I'd like for about 8 years now.

          *****************************

          “We who lived in concentration camps can remember the men who walked through the huts comforting others, giving away their last piece of bread. They may have been few in number, but they offer sufficient proof that everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms -- to choose one's attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one's own way.” ~ Viktor Frankl

          “You cannot control what happens to you, but you can control your attitude toward what happens to you, and in that, you will be mastering change rather than allowing it to master you.” ~ Brian Tracy

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          • #6
            Sorry, I saw the link after I posted. I did read your story. What an inspiration! Thank you so much for sharing!
            Diagnosed with IC in April 2011. Medications and IC treatments did not help, diagnosed with PFD in September of 2013. Still searching for answers as to why I have never-ending frequency/urgency issues.

            Current medications/treatments:
            Pelvic physical therapy, valium suppositories, b and o suppositories, acupuncture, probiotics, magnesium, epsom salt baths

            Previous medications/treatments:
            Elmiron, Hydroxizine, Elavil, VESIcare, Series of rescue instillations using Elmiron, water, lidocaine, & sodium bicarb and self-cathing with instills as needed, D-mannose, Glucosamine, Hyophen (generic Prosed), Colostrum, IC diet, PTNS, chiropractic treatments, Desert Harvest Aloe Vera, CystoProtek

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            • #7
              Mine came on suddenly also. One day I was fine, and the next morning I wasn't. It was really alarming because it was so sudden. Not the most pleasant thing to wake up to that's for sure.

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              • #8
                earthlady, were you ever diagnosed with a UTI when your symptoms first appeared? That's what freaked me out so much: I DID have an infection and the cultures showed E.coli but the extreme frequency never let up even after the infection cleared. I never had any prior UTI's or symptoms at all. I kept waiting for the antibiotics to help but they never did. They tried 5 different ones on me in all (currently on doxycycline) and still no change 2 months later.
                Diagnosed with IC in April 2011. Medications and IC treatments did not help, diagnosed with PFD in September of 2013. Still searching for answers as to why I have never-ending frequency/urgency issues.

                Current medications/treatments:
                Pelvic physical therapy, valium suppositories, b and o suppositories, acupuncture, probiotics, magnesium, epsom salt baths

                Previous medications/treatments:
                Elmiron, Hydroxizine, Elavil, VESIcare, Series of rescue instillations using Elmiron, water, lidocaine, & sodium bicarb and self-cathing with instills as needed, D-mannose, Glucosamine, Hyophen (generic Prosed), Colostrum, IC diet, PTNS, chiropractic treatments, Desert Harvest Aloe Vera, CystoProtek

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                • #9
                  I was tested several times and the cultures never showed anything. They also did a cytology screen for abnormal cells and it was normal. I still can't understand how something could appear like this over night. It seems strange that there weren't even any subtle signs of anything starting.

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                  • #10
                    Have you been checked for bacterial vaginitis? I had it and that caused some problems for me - it might be worth getting checked out. My gyno told me that the bacteria hang out around the urethra and cause UTI type symptoms even though the cultures come back clean. It's an easy test so you might want to get it checked out. I know some STD's can also cause urinary issues - better to eliminate the easy things early on. I felt much better after the BV treatment. I take a probiotic now to prevent any more yeast or bv issues.

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                    • #11
                      Thanks, endogirl2. Good advice, and yes, I have been checked for BV and all other STD's, and all came up clean. I only had a tiny bit of burning at the very end of urination when I first had a positive UTI but that cleared up in the first few days of antibiotics. My main issue is just this pressure of a full-feeling bladder all the time. When I first started reading here, I thought I must be having a flare and kept waiting for some relief. Any. In two months though, there has never been one minute that I haven't felt like my bladder is about to burst. It's not a burning or stabbing kind of pain. It just always feels like I've drank a gallon of water and held it for about 8 hours. Voiding gives no relief but the longer I wait to go, it's almost like the pressure level "resets" if that makes sense. I have another uro appointment tomorrow and am praying she can give me SOMETHING that will help with this. I tried taking oxybutynin last week when the frequency got up to every 15 minutes but it literally did nothing but dry my mouth out and make things worse by causing retention. I can't stop crying and I'm just feeling so hopeless. I need some kind of light to look to and every time I try to find one, it goes out.
                      Last edited by phoenixgirl; 05-02-2011, 02:26 PM.
                      Diagnosed with IC in April 2011. Medications and IC treatments did not help, diagnosed with PFD in September of 2013. Still searching for answers as to why I have never-ending frequency/urgency issues.

                      Current medications/treatments:
                      Pelvic physical therapy, valium suppositories, b and o suppositories, acupuncture, probiotics, magnesium, epsom salt baths

                      Previous medications/treatments:
                      Elmiron, Hydroxizine, Elavil, VESIcare, Series of rescue instillations using Elmiron, water, lidocaine, & sodium bicarb and self-cathing with instills as needed, D-mannose, Glucosamine, Hyophen (generic Prosed), Colostrum, IC diet, PTNS, chiropractic treatments, Desert Harvest Aloe Vera, CystoProtek

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                      • #12
                        oh honey, I'm so sorry to hear this. That's awful. I can't imagine how you are feeling. Seriously, if you have to break down and bawl in the office do it, then maybe they'll see how upsetting this is for you. My problems are different. When I have my period all of my muscles tighten up. My right butt cheek area is the main problem. I literally feel like my arse is falling out of me. It's awful. All of that pain causes me to have the worst time peeing. I have to push so hard to get it out. Not fun. I had pelvic physical therapy today and she said the muscles were more taught than last week. when I got home I felt like I was busting a gut and peed alot. I guess that's sorta good. I have pain still. Tried 2 vaginal valiums to try to relax the muscles but I guess it's not helping much. I'm going to take my tramadol and go to bed. I hate how tramadol makes me feel but I have no choice - it helps with my pain. I hope you get some answers soon!

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                        • #13
                          Phoenixgirl, my symptoms are quite similar to yours, I think. Especially the feeling like you've drunk a gallon of water and held it for about 8 hours.
                          (I just wrote a long story about myself and realized afterwards I posted it in the wrong place, under "Share your stories" instead of the "not-diagnosed-yet" thread.)

                          I always feel like I have to pee. The pain just increases until I can't take it any more and I go again. Then relief for about five minutes (which is probably 5 minutes more than you get), and then increasing pain.

                          It must be a nightmare to have this come on so suddenly for you, and I hope by now you've gotten more answers (I think your last post was some weeks ago).

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                          • #14
                            Thank you very much sonomaslim. I don't know if I have many more answers but at least now I'm on a treatment plan. There is still so much about this disorder that I don't understand. I'm nowhere near remission but at least now I can wait an hour, sometimes 2 in between pees. I still feel like I have to go most of the time and even though there's still that sensation, I can hold it now. Not sure if that's due to the instills, the ami, the vesicare or all of the above but I'm happy to be able to leave the house now where before that was nearly impossible. I still have some bad days but I'm hoping the Elmiron will eventually kick in and maybe help even more. I went for a long walk with the dog yesterday and was just SO grateful to be able to do that without it being torturous.
                            Diagnosed with IC in April 2011. Medications and IC treatments did not help, diagnosed with PFD in September of 2013. Still searching for answers as to why I have never-ending frequency/urgency issues.

                            Current medications/treatments:
                            Pelvic physical therapy, valium suppositories, b and o suppositories, acupuncture, probiotics, magnesium, epsom salt baths

                            Previous medications/treatments:
                            Elmiron, Hydroxizine, Elavil, VESIcare, Series of rescue instillations using Elmiron, water, lidocaine, & sodium bicarb and self-cathing with instills as needed, D-mannose, Glucosamine, Hyophen (generic Prosed), Colostrum, IC diet, PTNS, chiropractic treatments, Desert Harvest Aloe Vera, CystoProtek

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                            • #15
                              Diagnosis

                              Hi!

                              I was wondering if you're going ahead with any more tests. ???


                              I'm going to a well-respected doc here in a few weeks and was wondering if she'd want to go ahead and do a biopsy or distention and if I should do it. I don't really know how much more confirmation I need or if there are any more answers to be had.

                              Ugh.

                              I hope you're feeling better.
                              Maria



                              Current medication: Soul-searching

                              Vitamin D and B, Green smoothies, infrared sauna use, walking, cleansing, still seeking doctors to help find THE CAUSE of this--autoimmune or infection.




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