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  • #16
    Sorry, had to say something.

    I have always been a mouthy broad, and could not let it pass....afraid I had to say something. I said I thought the statement was a crock. Never said I was an angel. The pop-up said the editors would consider my statement. What can I say.

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    • #17
      Wow.
      Newly IC diagnosed as of February 2011.

      Medications I'm on that seem to work:
      Zoloft- one once a day
      Butrans pain patch 5 mcg (THANK GOD FOR WHOEVER INVENTED THIS!SO MUCH PAIN RELIEF ITS UNREAL,I AM IN NO PAIN AT ALL UNLESS I STRESS OR SCREW UP ON THE DIET)

      Failed Meds:
      Elmiron-after 4 months,digestive side effects got to be too much
      tramadol-allergic
      DMSO treatments(5-6)
      probiotics

      THERAPIES:gardening,cooking,IC Diet,Counseling,Lots of warm baths,stress reduction,heating pad or ice packs,meditation/deep breathing,listening to relaxing music,having fun on pain free days,drinking chamomile or peppermint tea,pelvic floor physical therapy
      AROMATHERAPY-candles,incense
      Village Naturals Aches and Pains Peppermint Bath Salts
      Johnson and Johnsons Lavender Melt Away Stress Body Wash/Lotion

      ACUPUNCTURE/HERBS
      Significant pain relief so far.

      MAY TRY:yoga,swimming/hydrotherapy and anti-candida diet if i can kick my sugar addiction
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      ***TO MY IC SISTERS AND BROTHERS:WE ARE OUR OWN ADVOCATES!,PLEASE DO AS MUCH RESEARCH ON YOUR OWN AS POSSIBLE AND TRY DIFFERENT TREATMENTS TO GET WELL.NOT ONE TREATMENT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.MOST IMPORTANTLY,TRY TO KEEP A POSITIVE ATTITUDE,DISTANCE YOURSELF FROM NEGATIVITY/NEGATIVE PEOPLE AND NEVER,EVER GIVE UP!***

      Add me on facebook Angela Hasic

      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Lord, make me an instrument of your peace;
      where there is hatred, let me sow love;
      when there is injury, pardon;
      where there is doubt, faith;
      where there is despair, hope;
      where there is darkness, light;
      and where there is sadness, joy.
      Grant that I may not so much seek
      to be consoled as to console;
      to be understood, as to understand,
      to be loved as to love;
      for it is in giving that we receive,
      it is in pardoning that we are pardoned,
      and it is in dying [to ourselves] that we are born to eternal life.

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      • #18
        Re:wow

        No...........not the article...I meant the non-scientific comment the lady made. She had no proof to back it up in my opinion. Did I mislead you? Sorry if my comment did.

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        • #19
          First, I want to express my condolences to this patient's family. But, I also want to say that I think that when things like this happen it has the potential to make it alot harder for other suffering patients to get adequate treatment with pain meds. So many Drs will not write r/xes for pain meds at all and many wont write them for chronic pain conditons like IC. So, when something like this happens, it makes it alot harder for those who need pain meds to get them.

          Something else too, I remember when I was still on Oxycodone. My pharmacy didnt have 10 mg plls (or they dont make them), so I was told to take 2 5 mg pills every 6 hours as needed. That means I was r/xed 240 of them per month. Well, one time I had to go to the ER and when they asked about my meds, I took them out of my purse to list what I was taking. Well, I had an almost empty bottle in there from the month before along with the new bottle that had just been filled. Well, that ER nurse actually wrote on my record that I had "2 HUGE bottles of oxycodone containing over 480 pills." That was a LIE! She didnt ask me why I had 2 bottles or how many pills were left in the one bottle or anything. She just made an assumption and a judgement and wrote it down without ever even telling me. So, of course, it made me look like some addict. So, I say let's not rush to judgement about this lady. We dont know the reason, or if things were like they appeared to be. I think we should cut her and her Dr some slack since there could be more to her story like there was to mine.
          I am not a medical professional. I do not give medical advice. In all cases, I urge you to talk to your Dr. about your treatment options.

          D/Xed 2003 with IC. Also have the co-existing condtions of VV, Vulvadynia, Lupus, Fibro, GERD, CPP, Endo, & Adhesions, and Depression

          Meds: Estrogel (due to total Hyster)
          The meds r/xed by my Pain Dr. from the Pain Clinic are as follows: Morphine ER and IR, Baclofen, and Lyrica and Seroquel (used off-label as a sleeping pill, but it also helps with depression)


          (I listed my meds in case someone reading this has been told like so many ICers that Drs dont r/x pain meds for IC.) I want you to know that there ARE tons of us who are also dealing w/this disease and the pain and many of us ARE on pain meds.)


          John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by zyphia View Post
            No...........not the article...I meant the non-scientific comment the lady made. She had no proof to back it up in my opinion. Did I mislead you? Sorry if my comment did.
            Yes, I saw the last comment in the article Jill linked. (For those of you who didnt see it, basically someone wrote on there that the reason we all have IC is b/c we drank too much coffee or too many sodas a day and that it ate up the lining to our bladders.

            Whoever wrote that has no proof of that because researchers still dont know the cause of IC. Many of us have APF that has been tested for and shown positive in our urine. (People without IC dont have this.) Also, alot of us have autoimmune diseases, (like I have Lupus.) Others have positive anti-nuclear antibodies (indicitive of something autoimmune), yet havent been d/xed with anything specific yet. Some can trace IC to bladder injuries or even a long ago infection or UTI. Others believe there to be other causes for their IC. But, the common thread with all of us is that there has not yet been a specific cause to be found. So whoever wrote that didnt know what they were talking about.
            I am not a medical professional. I do not give medical advice. In all cases, I urge you to talk to your Dr. about your treatment options.

            D/Xed 2003 with IC. Also have the co-existing condtions of VV, Vulvadynia, Lupus, Fibro, GERD, CPP, Endo, & Adhesions, and Depression

            Meds: Estrogel (due to total Hyster)
            The meds r/xed by my Pain Dr. from the Pain Clinic are as follows: Morphine ER and IR, Baclofen, and Lyrica and Seroquel (used off-label as a sleeping pill, but it also helps with depression)


            (I listed my meds in case someone reading this has been told like so many ICers that Drs dont r/x pain meds for IC.) I want you to know that there ARE tons of us who are also dealing w/this disease and the pain and many of us ARE on pain meds.)


            John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

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            • #21
              Horrible sad story

              I can only speak for myself and my opinion, which is it's horrible that this woman was in so much pain and not being regulated or helped in some other way. I don't think doctors should be afraid to prescribe opiates and other pain meds for this condition, but it seems like this is throwing a lot of medication at one person.

              I know that when I am having a flare, sometimes with the meds I take it's hard to keep track of what I took when. About half the month I take half a 5/500 vicodin and spilt a 5mg valium for morning/evening. But during flares, that can triple or quadruple. I also get two preventative instills a month, the week before my period, which are made of Elmiron, heparin, lidocaine, and bicarb. I'm not pain free at all, and I definitely have a lot of urgency issues, but I haven't ever been even offered oxycontin.

              In fact, when I asked my doctor about going to a pain specialist, I was told that around my area, the only pain specialists are focused on treating back pain. That seems really useful.

              Maybe this woman didn't have access to a pain specialist. Maybe this doctor was doing the only thing he thought would help - though it's pretty horrible and sad. I really hope more information about IC gets out and doctors are more able to help/treat people because this condition really stinks, frustrates, and takes up too much of the lives of those with it, myself included.



              Let's hope for more education!
              Stephanie
              GutThinking.com

              Dx's
              2011 - Adenomyosis (172g uterus), Ovarian Cysts
              2007 - Endometriosis, Interstitial Cystitis
              2004 - celiac disease/autoimmune gluten intolerance
              2004 - migraines
              1999 - Nightshade intolerance
              Sciatica, thoracic and cervical disk problems
              Separated shoulder (a/c joint)
              Positive ANA since 1990

              Treatments

              6/30/2011 - total hysterectomy (vaginal, lap assisted)
              9/15/2010 - first instill (heparin, lidocaine, sodium bicarbonate) - adding Elmiron for the rest of the series (still doing this, 2 the week before my period)
              11/2010 - Uterine ablation with hopes it would calm down abdominal activity - didn't work

              Meds
              Desert Harvest aloe vera
              valium
              vicodin
              Vivelle Dot .1
              ibuprofen
              Imitrex
              Singulair

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              • #22
                Re: Doctor suspended

                I have been doing some research about the death of the lady and there are so many unanswered questions. One thing I did find was that she went to Dr. Tyrrell (who apparently practices OB/Gyn) for pain management (?) and he
                was suspended for an additional 30 days but allowed to continue to practice obstetrics. I go to a pain management specialist for my pain management, but that is just me. I also ask the urologist to work with me in pain management and he does but my pain management specialist helps a great deal more. Anyway, in one of the articles it also mentioned that:

                “At the time of her death, the patient’s body had multiple visible injection sites,”

                and I have no idea why or where that tidbit of information came from. What does that mean? Why was that brought up in the article? It seems to me,, as someone said earlier, that there is so much more to the story and there may be something fishy about it. I am not condoning what the doctor did, not at all. It just seems to me there are too many holes and someone needs to *fill in the blanks* in this story and I would like some answers. Also, a statement in the criminal complaint says:

                "Daniels (the deceased) a Northeast Technology Center nursing instructor, was being treated by a Tulsa urologist when she started seeing Tyrrell for pain management. She asked Tyrrell for Demerol, which she told him she was taking already. Pharmacy records from June 2, 2009, through Sept. 2, 2009, show Tyrrell prescribed 990 Demerol pills and 120 OxyContin pills.
                In the last 35 days of Daniels’ life, she received 630 Demerol pills and 60 OxyContin pills, an average of 18.5 dosage units per day of Demerol."

                Well I am just too curious I guess. Always have been. Anyone else have a curious bone? OK I am finished. The End. Byeeee

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                • #23
                  Due to insurance rules I am only allowed enough percocet to last a month. I rarely need them but when I do (major flare) I need them badly. The way he writes the script I end up getting enough for three months. He knows me & my Husband well. I would never overdose and I tell my Husband when I take one. So he knows not to let me drive in case I forget. Usually one a day is enough to bring me down and put me in enough comfort to sleep. In my State one has to go to his office and receive the perscription in person. That can be a problem for some people. Maybe this Doctor was trying to help her in the same way. I sure do not know. Any medical person knows what an over-dose is. It's a very sad story. So young. OMG it is hard to find a Doctor who will help with pain meds. I hope this story does not stop good helpful Doctors from giving help, being responsible, giving pain meds to those who need relief. Hugs, Ziggy

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                  • #24
                    Multiple Injection Sites

                    This means that on her body they found multiple places where Intramuscular injections were given. No one knows if she gave them to herself or in a doctors office. I believe the majority of MDs are good and caring people. Remember there are two sides to every story.

                    Suzanne

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                    • #25
                      Re: injections

                      I know it means she had injections of some kind. My point I was trying to make is there are too many holes in the story. I think it is time to put it to bed anyway. It is not going to bring her back, nor is it going to change how many feel about the doctor or the quality of care she was given or even how she handled herself.

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                      • #26
                        I feel for her family God Bless Them.
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                        • #27
                          I have to agree with you...no one knows how depressed the patient was to have taken so much(not to put blame on her...clearly the doc shouldn't have written scripts for that many meds)! I hate what the results do for us! Right now I hoard my meds because none of my docs think I should have pain meds for IC! I'm thankful to have two bulging discs in my back with tears in them because it allows me to have pain meds for something that the docs at least thinks requires it! I've never had a script for anything stonger than vicoden and my pain level supercedes 10 a lot of the time! I don't wish IC on my worse enemy and to think that many docs feel like pain meds is out of the question for IC patients. I hope no one has to suffer because of this(my prayers are with this patients family)!

                          Aleet7
                          DX'd with IC 5/08
                          other Dx's~SVT: had Catheter
                          Catheter Ablation Aug 19,2010
                          Migraines, PFD, Hypertension,
                          Prolapsed Pelvic
                          Organs and Degenerative Disc
                          Disease, Kidney stones, Insomnia
                          Two bulging discs w/tears and osteo
                          arthritis in multiple joints in the spine



                          Current Meds:Elmiron 400 mg per day
                          Benicar Hct 40-25mg for Hypertension
                          Norvasc 2.5
                          Vicoden as needed for pain
                          Cymbalta 30 mg
                          Prelief
                          CystaQ
                          Prosed
                          Lidoderm Patch


                          Psalm 121
                          I will lift up my eyes to the hills from whence comes my help? My help comes from the Lord, Who made heaven and earth.


                          "Be Kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle"

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                          • #28
                            Pain control for IC

                            It is bad enough to have IC but it is even a bigger bother for me with spinal problems. I have IC and have had lumbar spinal problems since I was in my late 20s. I hope you don't suffer like I did (stubborness on my part) with the back problem and ignore it like I did for so long. I finally had to have what is called a pedicle screw fixation done to my lumbar spine because of severe lumbar stenosis. One of the doctors I worked with who was also a good friend made me sit down at his desk at his PC and apply for SS disability online because he knew I would not be able to return to work after the drastic surgery. He was right too. I applied and within 90 days it was approved. Please do NOT ignore your back. I have stainless steel rods and screws in my lumbar spine from L-1 to L-5, having had them all replaced with which are all artificial disk replacements. In addition I have had my cervical spine replaced too, with titanium and the Neurostimulator that is in my right buttock sure makes for a lovely sight when I go thru airport security with the new scanners. I keep waiting to see myself on YouTube. I do feel bad for anyone tho, who suffers from any type pain. When I was suffering from such pain prior to my spinal surgery my doctor would try me on all kinds of pain medications but because of my intolerance to so many and my inability to metabolize them because of my compromised liver, he would ask me to download information off the net to add to my medical records about different medications that were tried to help ease the pain for IC sufferers because he was worried that by chance my records may be pulled for inspection and the inspectors may see the large amount of controlled substances he had written Rx's for me but a closer check would have also eased their minds by talking to me and the local pharmacist and having him tell them that I turned the drugs back in to him for him to destroy them because I could not take them. Also we would put the downloaded infromation in my chart about the different drugs I was using for control of the pain. The duragesic patches I tried were unfortunately not beneficial at all and I had so hoped the would be for the medication did not have to be metabolized thru the liver but was absorbed thru the skin and went into the blood stream but I was unable to handle it. I have tried every drug known, controlled and otherwise and was lucky to have a doctor who cared enough to want to work with me for pain relief. I just wish there were more like him around for the rest of you.

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                            • #29
                              OMG! Those are some extensive repairs done on your spine....I am so sorry you had to go through all of that! Right now I'm taking Cymbalta for the back pain and vicoden as needed. I also have osteo arthritis in several joints in my spine. The rain and cold puts me in the bed! I know this sounds weird but I'm glad that I can at least get pain meds for the spine issues because I can use it when I'm flaring like I am right now! I've been flaring for almost a week now and my back is in pain also.

                              I promise not to neglect my spine health...my dad was on a cane at my age(47) and in severe pain from his spine problems! I'm doing everything possible to stay healthy but I can't ignore the horrible flares and spine problems sometimes(I have to learn how to live with it I guess).

                              I pray that no one has to go through IC without any medical help(pain meds)! It's just not humane!

                              Best Wishes!
                              Aleet7
                              DX'd with IC 5/08
                              other Dx's~SVT: had Catheter
                              Catheter Ablation Aug 19,2010
                              Migraines, PFD, Hypertension,
                              Prolapsed Pelvic
                              Organs and Degenerative Disc
                              Disease, Kidney stones, Insomnia
                              Two bulging discs w/tears and osteo
                              arthritis in multiple joints in the spine



                              Current Meds:Elmiron 400 mg per day
                              Benicar Hct 40-25mg for Hypertension
                              Norvasc 2.5
                              Vicoden as needed for pain
                              Cymbalta 30 mg
                              Prelief
                              CystaQ
                              Prosed
                              Lidoderm Patch


                              Psalm 121
                              I will lift up my eyes to the hills from whence comes my help? My help comes from the Lord, Who made heaven and earth.


                              "Be Kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle"

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                              • #30
                                (Yes, I saw the last comment in the article Jill linked. (For those of you who didnt see it, basically someone wrote on there that the reason we all have IC is b/c we drank too much coffee or too many sodas a day and that it ate up the lining to our bladders. )

                                Well, they are out of their mind on that one!! I never drank coffee and what little bit of root beer I drank the companies would go under because they could not have made enough money off of me to keep the company going. Where do these people come up with their thoughts on things??? I bet she does not even know what true IC even is. ..Sigh....

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