How do you know?

[turnaround ICN Member Find all posts View Profile Close turnaround]

I am relatively new to all of this-diagnosed in October with hydro-cysto. I am in my third bad flare. This one is the worst-second day of severe bladder burn/pain, and first time frequency and terrible pressure.

I started taking pyridium yesterday and am on Elavil 20mg at night. My question is-my pain is not getting any better, maybe even a little worse. How do you know for sure if it's not a uti. My doc acts all mad if I call and now that I have taken a pyridium, can they even tell if I have a uti? Stupid questions, I know, but I am lost and in bad pain. Help!

[ICLori ICN Member Find all posts View Profile Close ICLori]

Hi, you ask a very good question! The truth is, we CAN'T tell the difference between an IC flare or a UTI, at least not without a test kit, because they both feel exactly the same!

Any doctor who knows ANYTHING about IC ought to know that. But sadly, many doctors are still quite ignorant about IC, and don't even seem to exhibit a willingness to learn.

Some IC'ers have bought test kits, I'm not sure what the name of it is, but I think they are available at the drug store? But I always prefer to go in and be tested, because when I go into the ER and I'm tested, they culture it for me to find out which antibiotic to use (if in fact it is a UTI rather than a flare.)

I hope you feel better soon! There are so many self-help suggestions for flares in the patient handbook - if you are feeling well enough, perhaps you could read a bit in there and see if any of those things could help you feel better until the flare passes?

Blessings,
Lori

[kjd ICN Member Find all posts View Profile Close kjd]

Well thats a really good question and I guess even after 2years of having IC I still sometimes dont know!!!
Although you do get abit more familiar with symptoms and start to know when its a uti but there have been many times when I'm not sure! I guess we are all the same!

Sometimes I am so bad I think to myself "I MUST HAVE A UTI" then I do a test and its negative!!!!!
The best thing to do is get a test and drink tons of water
x

[marymove ICN Member Find all posts View Profile Close marymove]

Thanks Lori and kjd. I have a couple quick questions. Does pyridium affect the test? And what happens if the white cell count is off, but no nitrites? I bought the test and did it, and the nitrite was normal and the blood count wasn't. Yikes, I am soo confused and feeling like crap. I know I'll get through this, but darn, does it hurt!!

[jen74 ICN Member Find all posts View Profile Close jen74]

Those at home test kits are not always reliable. I took the at home test strip a couple weeks ago and it was completely normal, yet I went to have a culture done which showed a huge infection going on. I dont trust those things.
Jen

[MelissaT IC Friend Find all posts View Profile Close MelissaT]

Marymove,
My uro told me to continue taking my prosed. She said that it wouldn't hurt the test. I think peridium is a little different. The prosed turns your pee blue. I think the peridium turns it orange.
My dr. wants me to take the prosed because I have to take it long term and because I have taken the other stuff so long. I think the peridium and azo helps more, but I try to do what the doc tells me to.
She said it didn't affect the test, but when I took the azo standard they would have to culture it. I don't know if this helps.

MelissaT

[marymove ICN Member Find all posts View Profile Close marymove]

Thanks Melissa and Jen. I am actually feeling alittle better after two days of hell. This IC is so confusing-symptoms being so similar to uti"s. Guess I'll figure it out eventually. Thanks again.

[mary124 ICN Member Find all posts View Profile Close mary124]

I have had IC for 17 years and there's still times that I don't know if its an infection or not-- (sure I've got the test strips-don't really trust them). Most times I'll go to the doctor if its really bad, and in most cases I made the right decision. I also take pyridium(?) and my doctor said it really didn't make much difference.

[dette ICN Member Find all posts View Profile Close dette]

Where can you purchase the test kits at? I called a couple places and could not find them. Thanks in advance!!!!!!

[amartaingirl ICN Member Find all posts View Profile Close amartaingirl]

re

i was very worried that i would not be able to tell the difference...
between regular flare...& uti

then in jan...i got my first UTI since being diagnosed last JULY

but i could tell the difference immediately...it was more of a pulling sensation after i pee'd

it felt different somehow
more like a normal uti before ic

vs

the burn i that i have now... comes and goes

to me...the uti burn...was lower..more near vagina
while the IC burn..is higher..more near the clitoris?

maybe i am crazy
but hope that helps

[ICNDonna ICN Staff Find all posts View Profile Close ICNDonna]

Most pharmacies will carry the UTI home test kits. If you've taken pyridium, you won't be able to use the color coded test strips until the pyridium is out of your system, however. There is one kit, called First Response that foams if there's infection, so it might work even with the pyridium.

Donna

[jen74 ICN Member Find all posts View Profile Close jen74]

Donna, Where do you get the first resopnse UTI kIt? The only ones they sell that I have seen where I live is the Azo UTI test strips and this other test stick by wellbeing. Neither of them worked for me the last time I had a bad UTI. Neither of them showed any infection.

As far as telling the difference between a UTI and flare, I am not able to tell. I am always in conatant pain (bad pain) and could not really tell. I feel like I always have a UTI, just a a real bad one.
Jen