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  • SandyRN
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    Kara, I'm so sorry you're going through all of this. It really makes me angry to see yet another pain control doctor (using that term VERY lightly) do this to another vulnerable pain patient.

    I really do think it would help if your husband called them and said that you are a total wreck from being in pain and he felt he had to call and say something on your behalf. OR, make yet another appt and have him come with you.

    Whenever I feel vulnerable with a new doctor or when I'm asking for a dosage increase I take Tom with me, every time. He always backs me up and tells the doctor my symptoms, or that my pain level is off the charts.

    I'm just soooooooooo sorry!

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  • Moonheart
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    Originally posted by Kara Isabel
    Thanks for the ideas Moonheart and Dani

    I think I will be a "sport" and try this for a few days and then I'll most likely call or have my DH call them.......he's really flipping out over ME flipping out.

    My daughter just came home and took one look at me and started crying! Its pretty obvious I'm a total wreck, and I feel really bad that I'm such a high-health-maintanence mom!!!!!!!

    love,
    Kara
    Awww...I'm sorry... I totally understand where you are coming from. It's so hard watching other mom's "keep up" with stuff and organizing their kids and all to help around the house.

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  • Kara Isabel
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    Thanks for the ideas Moonheart and Dani

    I think I will be a "sport" and try this for a few days and then I'll most likely call or have my DH call them.......he's really flipping out over ME flipping out.

    My daughter just came home and took one look at me and started crying! Its pretty obvious I'm a total wreck, and I feel really bad that I'm such a high-health-maintanence mom!!!!!!!

    love,
    Kara

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  • DaniBelle
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    Another suggestion...

    is to call your insurance company, tell them what you are going through, be brutally honest and ask them to find you someone ASAP. I know most don't trust their insurance companies to care about squat, but when I was going through problems in finding someone to help me with the endometriosis, etc., they had a special "patient support" type of program where someone worked on finding me help and believe it or not, called me just about every day, emailed me, etc.. and was like a friend checking up on me. BCBS are the ones who end up paying most of the cost of your doctors bills, so it's in their best interest as well for you to find someone promptly to help you get better AND to get with a doctor who UNDERSTANDS! He may not be right around the corner and you may have to drive an hour or two, but at least you would know there may be help within reach. If you weren't in VA, I would suggest coming to ATL (Lawrenceville)for treatment. My Gyn who treats most all the IC patients this side of town, is arranging for a specific pain mgt. doctor be referred only to him, because he is very experienced in knowing how to treat not only the pain of IC, but also all the emotional baggage that builds up through the years (he is a psychiatrist too). I don't necessarily feel like I am depressed enough to need an antidepressant, but it sure will be nice to be able to talk to him about the effect this disease has had on every area of my life. My current doctor sounds like a carbon copy of your current one. I have my Tuesday instillation appt. tomorrow and I'll ask my Gyn if she has a list of doctors close to your area who could help you. Other than this, try what Sarah suggested, breaking it in half, also, try taking about 500 mg of Ibuprofen (or more) before bedtime. I have been waking up for the last 2 months with awful FM pain and IC pain. I had to wait about 10-20 min. before I could get out of bed. I've never liked taking Ibuprofen because it never seemed to help at all. I ate my words this morning, because I had put a bottle of IBU by on my bedside table and upon waking (in pain), I took about 600mg of IBU. Within 10 minutes, I was able to get up with much less pain than usual. I don't know if this will help you, but try it (you may already be doing this). I had said for years that IBU NEVER worked for pain, but somehow this morning, it helped me enough to be able to get going and help my boys get off to school. I really hope you feel better soon and ask your hubby for an all over massage until you can fall asleep. He sounds like he's very supportive. I'll be praying you get relief soon!

    DaniBelle


    Originally posted by Kara Isabel
    Thanks Sarah and Dani!

    That's what I'm left thinking is cutting out my night dose IS nuts!!!! I mean, I don't want to be one of those "pain in the rear" patients, but I also don't want to be MISERABLE! I'm so terrofied of the nights to come!? And I just don't understand why the rug was pulled out from underneath me.

    One thing that comes to mind, is that on April 1st, he is no longer accepting my insurance??? Could be be trying to wean off all the BCBS patients????? Or is that ludicrous?

    And there is NO OTHER pain clinics around here that do opiate treatment, just ONE other clinic, but I've heard from a few of their patients that all they give are ultrams and nerve blocks!

    My husband just told me I looked like "crap".......Yeah, that's what crying ALL DAY does to a person

    love,
    Kara

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  • Moonheart
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    Originally posted by Kara Isabel
    Moonheart! I'm sorry! I meant to tell you that in my last post but spaced off (my head isn't together right now at all)

    I was taking 3-4 30mg MsContin a day, the 4th dose was for really bad days, but most days I just needed 3 doses.

    The MsContin tends to work for about 5-6 hours for me, and I wake up at 5:30 and take one, then again around noon, and they will wear off around 5-6pm.

    I've thought about maybe trying to stretch the day dose and take it around 3pm? But I'd still be in pain most the night......I just don't know!

    Any ideas?

    Thanks honey!
    Love,
    RG

    Oh that's okay hon! I just was worried I offended you somehow. Silly me!

    I started having the same problem as you hon. Where my meds weren't really all that effective and not lasting very long. So I started taking 2x30mg in the morning when I get up, and then a second dose of the same at around 8-12 hours after the first. It lasts all night because I have enough pain relief to fall asleep and stay asleep. I hope it works for you.

    It really does make a difference! It lasts longer and is FAR more effective! So maybe you could try that. You may want to ask your doc first, or not I guess with all the problems you're having!


    HUGS! (((((((((((Kara))))))))))))

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  • IC SARAH-CPP
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    Well if you look like crap, then your hubby should call in for you! Can you start right now and look for another place to go? I know that is the last thing you feel like doing but if he is going to persist in this terrible treatment, then he is leaving you little other choice.
    I also was thinking that maybe a PCP or even a gyn would help manage your pain. My ob/gyn was the one who manages my narcotics before I went to the pain clinic. And my PCP offered to do it if the pain doc wouldnt. I would try anyone and everyone. Please dont give up!
    I dont get why he is doing this either. How long have you been on the MSContin for? I dont get why you just cant go back to how it was before It really sucks that he is being so bullheaded.
    Sarah

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  • Kara Isabel
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    Moonheart! I'm sorry! I meant to tell you that in my last post but spaced off (my head isn't together right now at all)

    I was taking 3-4 30mg MsContin a day, the 4th dose was for really bad days, but most days I just needed 3 doses.

    The MsContin tends to work for about 5-6 hours for me, and I wake up at 5:30 and take one, then again around noon, and they will wear off around 5-6pm.

    I've thought about maybe trying to stretch the day dose and take it around 3pm? But I'd still be in pain most the night......I just don't know!

    Any ideas?

    Thanks honey!
    Love,
    Kara
    Last edited by Kara Isabel; 03-05-2007, 02:57 PM.

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  • Moonheart
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    Originally posted by Kara Isabel
    Thanks Sarah and Dani!

    That's what I'm left thinking is cutting out my night dose IS nuts!!!! I mean, I don't want to be one of those "pain in the rear" patients, but I also don't want to be MISERABLE! I'm so terrofied of the nights to come!? And I just don't understand why the rug was pulled out from underneath me.

    One thing that comes to mind, is that on April 1st, he is no longer accepting my insurance??? Could be be trying to wean off all the BCBS patients????? Or is that ludicrous?

    And there is NO OTHER pain clinics around here that do opiate treatment, just ONE other clinic, but I've heard from a few of their patients that all they give are ultrams and nerve blocks!

    My husband just told me I looked like "crap".......Yeah, that's what crying ALL DAY does to a person

    love,
    Kara

    Did you read my post Kara? There is an important reason for my question? If you can take part of your dose in the morning and part at night you hopefully won't suffer as much as if you took then all in the morning. I hope I didn't offend you or anything, but I'm just hoping to find a way to help you get through this until your appointment.

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  • Kara Isabel
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    Thanks Sarah and Dani!

    That's what I'm left thinking is cutting out my night dose IS nuts!!!! I mean, I don't want to be one of those "pain in the rear" patients, but I also don't want to be MISERABLE! I'm so terrofied of the nights to come!? And I just don't understand why the rug was pulled out from underneath me.

    One thing that comes to mind, is that on April 1st, he is no longer accepting my insurance??? Could be be trying to wean off all the BCBS patients????? Or is that ludicrous?

    And there is NO OTHER pain clinics around here that do opiate treatment, just ONE other clinic, but I've heard from a few of their patients that all they give are ultrams and nerve blocks!

    My husband just told me I looked like "crap".......Yeah, that's what crying ALL DAY does to a person

    love,
    Kara

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  • DaniBelle
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    I would add one thing to.....

    IC-SARAH-CCP's wonderful suggestions....go to the icn info sheets where researchers and doctors state how I.C. sufferers experience pain akin to the pain of patients in the last stages of renal failure and also pain as painful as those of cancer patients. I don't think most doctors understand this....actually I know most don't. It also goes on to state that because of the unending excruciating nature of the pain, many feel so hopeless as to want it to be 'all over'. I've been at that crossroads before. THIS IS A SERIOUS ILLNESS THAT DEVASTATES EVERY PART OF A SUFFERER'S LIFE!! This sheet is somewhere on this site....look on the main page or in the handbook on info about I.C. for newcomers. I know your doctor needs to read this (even if he gets his BVD's in a wad thinking the patient and her husband know more than he does....GOD FORBID!). Some are soooo defensive about it. When I gave my current (soon to be ex) pain mgt. doc some info about I.C., she about bit my head off. I just thought it would help her because she kept referring to my 'condition' as 'Interstistiosial Colitis". She couldn't even pronounce it or know what it was!!!!! This was after months of being under her 'care'. Anyway....do what Sarah says. As my grandmother used to tell me, when you feel strongly about something and know you are right, stay at the person you are trying to convince night and day until they give in. It works! You don't need to suffering! Get your hubby to write out what he's going to say (to make sure NOTHING is left out), call the doctor, read it to him, and if he's still stubborn, threaten to go to the ER. They don't like that, because it makes them look like they can't treat their patients correctly. News travels fast in those circles. I wish you the best and hope your next post is a "He called it in for me and I'm feeling so much better!" one.

    Prayers coming your way!


    DaniBelle

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  • IC SARAH-CPP
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    Kara,
    Please please have your husband call the doctor for you. I really think you need to do this. It is just not okay what he is doing to you! Cutting out your night dose totally? That is totally insane.
    I am sorry but you need to become the squeekiest(sp?) wheel out there. I have had to do it before and it sucks but it needs to be done. Just call and call and call. Write emails, send letters, call the machine, etc. Also, write down your pain scores in a pain diary and bring that with you when you go in again. If he doesnt listen over the phone, make another appt to see him. I know this is very very hard but you have to keep fighting. It is your life and your pain and you are the one who has to live with this.
    And I think if your husband calls in for you, then it will maybe make the doctor see how serious you are and how bad things are for you.
    Please hang in there sweetie. We are behind you all the way.
    Love Sarah

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  • Moonheart
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    Originally posted by Kara Isabel
    Thanks ladies,

    I'm just beside myself right now, I feel like the rug was pulled out from underneath me!

    I mean, I am willing to give it a shot........but from last month's experience its not looking hopeful The valium seems to be increasing my frequency quite a bit and possibly aggravating my IC?

    I just don't know what to do?????? Look for another doctor? Or stick it out with him for a few months until I get stabalized before I switch???

    Or call my urologist and reconsider doing the Instills??????

    I'm SOOO confused and depressed.

    I wish these docs could experience ONE DAY of this HELL!!!!

    love,
    Kara

    Hi Kara hon!

    I was wondering if you could tell us how much MS Contin total you were on before this all started? Then what is the total amount you are on now, whether it's morning or night or whatever.

    The reason I'm asking is to see if maybe you could take part of your day dose at night to help you sleep?

    Thanks sweetie! Hang in there!
    Last edited by Moonheart; 03-05-2007, 08:22 AM.

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  • Kara Isabel
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    Thanks ladies,

    I'm just beside myself right now, I feel like the rug was pulled out from underneath me!

    I mean, I am willing to give it a shot........but from last month's experience its not looking hopeful The valium seems to be increasing my frequency quite a bit and possibly aggravating my IC?

    I just don't know what to do?????? Look for another doctor? Or stick it out with him for a few months until I get stabalized before I switch???

    Or call my urologist and reconsider doing the Instills??????

    I'm SOOO confused and depressed.

    I wish these docs could experience ONE DAY of this HELL!!!!

    love,
    Kara

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  • DaniBelle
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    P.s.

    Doesn't the doctor know that Valium only relaxes the body, but doesn't have the capacity to really relieve pain...and why not let you have one more tablet per day???? I don't understand it. My doctor was just as stubborn and would not explain why. When nighttime comes, I just try to 'knock myself out' with a Soma (which is just supposed to relax my TMJ), but I have no choice! It's crazy that a doctor has a patient sitting there saying, my pain is controlled with just 30 mg more per day....and then he denies you the relief! Maybe your doctor and mine are related!! They make no sense. I have friends (I.C. sufferers), who take really strong medications (the 'Fentanyl' patch @ 120mg per day) and they are still in pain. If I took that much, I would not know down from up and be unable to walk or do anything. What I'm getting at is, you are not asking for much!!! Still sooooo mad for you!!!

    Dani

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  • DaniBelle
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    I'm sooo mad about your 'Doctor'....

    what happened to the oath he took saying he will "Do no harm"? I can't believe he didn't listen to you and is so stubborn while watching you suffer right there in his office. How long has he been your doctor? I think your husband, mother, whomever can, should call this doctor and explain exactly what you've been going through with the lesser dosage of the pain medication and the addition of the benzos. He should be 'hounded' day and night until he wakes up that he made a big mistake at your expense. Any doctor knows (unless he/she is nuts) that changing someone's medication is going to make a huge difference in not only how they feel physically, but emotionally as well. I feel so bad for you and wish everything would be resolved within this day. Why are some doctors (most) soooo insensitive and stubborn! Don't they realize this pain is not going to just go away and our bodies and minds are going to be o.k. with it. A 5 year old knows better than that! UUUGGHHHH! ARRRRGGH! I don't wish any harm to come to someone, but if this doctor could experience an awful bladder infection for a week, do you think he would just 'shoo' it aside....no...he'd make sure he was comfortable, because his pain is 'real'!! My soon to be ex pain doc is so detached and even though I told him I was feeling so much better with the MS Contin 30 mg @ 3xper day, he said "I'll let you take it twice per day". I repeated myself and he ignored me!!!! I think he is sadistic....I really do. Someone else who had the misfortune of having him perform a procedure on her (spinal shot for pain?) said he did it incorrectly which left her in excruciating pain (migraine too) and he didn't apologize, left the room and another doctor came in to help her. UNBELIEVABLE!!! I truly don't understand how some of these 'doctors' ever decided to help people with their pain. Sometimes they cause more than what you came in there with. If your doctor doesn't budge (you waited so long to get relief....and he didn't come through), immediately get your hubby to call around to find another doctor. You need to get this straightened out ASAP. If you called your insurance co, would they help you find someone if you tell them you are not getting the care you need and your doctor is not taking care of you and pretty much denying you proper care for your condition? My insurance co. helped me once a while ago and I was surprised at how fast and kind they were at getting me referred and in to see someone else. They also took note of my complaint about the doctor who messed me up. I feel sooo bad for you. I know you feel like you are stuck in a pit right now, but you will be out real soon...I will be praying that all this gets resolved immediately. You should not be suffering....it is inhumane! Get your husband to call the doctor right away!

    Sending hugs and prayers your way!

    Danita


    Originally posted by Kara Isabel
    I just got back from my appointment and the NIGHTMARE CONTINUES!

    I told him what was going on with the pain and the benzos making me so depressed and it went IN one ear and OUT the other!!!!!!!!!!

    He did give me TWO 30mg mscontin for the day BUT he CUT MY NIGHT DOSE COMPLETELY OUT!

    He wants me to take valium at night......

    I CANNOT stop crying.

    I know the valium isn't going to do anything! I've taken it before and I'm still UP all night in pain......

    AND if that wasnt' enough, my pain doc has decided NOT TO TAKE my insurance, BCBS any more so I have to pay out of pocket!!!!!!!!!!!

    I can't even BREATHE right now I am SO hysterical and depressed!!!!!!!!

    My husband wants to call my doc and tell them this is BS, but I doubt it will do any good.

    I just wish I could stop crying........I guess you all will be seeing me around ALOT more at night since my stupid bladder will no doubt keep me awake!!!

    I hate being ME right now.

    love,
    Kara

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