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    If it was put over the bladder area will it help with the pain? I do have the gel so would that work the same as the patch? I do use it for the erurethra but I can't get it into the bladder.

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    I used to use Lidocaine jet gels for several months, but now have a hard time finding a pharmacy that can fill it. When I went to Walmart the last time, I was told that they can't order it again for me since it was so expensive to get it. I still don't understand that since my insurance pays for it. I have a few of the jets left and believe me I only use them when absolutely necessary. While they only work for about 15 minutes, it usually breaks that cycle of pain as well as allows my oral meds to start working.

    I just picked up the topical gel over the weekend. I have no idea what to do with it since like you said, I need it in my urethea. Not just the opening. I can't self cath since it always sends me into a flare. Even when the doctor's office has done the cath to either instill or help me empty my bladder, it sends me into a flare. I haven't had a flare since last fall and that was when I had an "in-office" instill.

    If anyone else has any luck with finding the lidocaine jet gels 2%. Please let me know. I have already used Walgreens, Rite-Aid and Walmart. Walgreens and Rite-Aid have different suppliers and they can no longer get it either.

    For your original comment about the lidocaine patches. They never worked for me.

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    • #3
      The lidocaine patches probably won't work for bladder pain -- the lidocaine in them only penetrates into the skin and just a little into the muscle underneath. Unfortunately, it cannot penetrate into the body far enough to reach the bladder.

      These patches are great if you have muscle pains, trigger points, etc. but not for deep organ pain.
      ****
      Jen

      *Diagnosed with severe IC in 2004
      *Also diagnosed with PFD, fibromyalgia, chronic myofascial pain, IBS, migraines, allergies/asthma, dermatographism
      *Kept trying a million different treatments for all these things until I found what works, and I am doing okay these days with the help of a cocktail of medications and the InterStim, which was first placed in 2007. [I have had 2 revisions - one in 2010 when my battery died and had to be replaced, and one complete replacement (lead and generator) in 2012 after a fall on my stairs caused my lead to move.]
      *Current meds include Atarax (50mg at night), Lyrica (150mg twice a day), Xanax (0.5mg at night and as needed), Zanaflex (4mg at night), hydrocodone (10/325, every 6 hours as needed), Advair, Nasonex, Singulair (10mg at night), oral contraceptives, home instills containing Elmiron and Marcaine (as often as I need to do them).

      **I am not a medical authority nor do I offer definitive medical advice. I strongly encourage you to discuss your medical treatment with your personal medical care provider. Only they can, and should, give medical recommendations to you.

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      • #4
        Tracey83, have you tried a small family owned pharmacy? They might be able to help you more then the big stores.

        Sarojini, thanks was hoping it would make the trip through to the bladder.

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        • #5
          I used them a lot on my lower back....everyone is right, they just don't seep deep enough to help deep organ pain. Too bad, huh? Go to www.endopharmaceuticals.com and you can find out how to get the patches for free, or at a reduced cost if you would like to get them for other things than the bladder pain. They can tell you how to apply for the discount/free patches. I used to get 50 patches at a time for free!
          *IC-- Summer 2004; PFD--October 2005
          *Fibro--Fall 2000; CFS-- Fall 2000
          *MPS--Fall 2000; Crohn's disease-- 1997*IBS,GERD, *Migraines, hypothyroidism, GYN problems *Degenerative Disc Disease/scoliosis

          Total Abdominal Hysterectomy--adenomyosis--9\08

          04/17/09 Crohn's disease almost killed me with a combo of extreme constipation from pain medications. My bowel ruptured, I almost died from peritonitis and spent several days in the ICU then more in a private room on the floor. If you have any questions about severe constipation from pain meds please don't hesitate to send me a message.

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          • #6
            After you get to the web page, scroll down the left hand corner and click on lidoderm.........
            *IC-- Summer 2004; PFD--October 2005
            *Fibro--Fall 2000; CFS-- Fall 2000
            *MPS--Fall 2000; Crohn's disease-- 1997*IBS,GERD, *Migraines, hypothyroidism, GYN problems *Degenerative Disc Disease/scoliosis

            Total Abdominal Hysterectomy--adenomyosis--9\08

            04/17/09 Crohn's disease almost killed me with a combo of extreme constipation from pain medications. My bowel ruptured, I almost died from peritonitis and spent several days in the ICU then more in a private room on the floor. If you have any questions about severe constipation from pain meds please don't hesitate to send me a message.

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            • #7
              Sandy's absolutely right. I use lidoderm (patches) and they really help my back. They even give me some relief on the sides of my pelvis in front, where I get a lot of referred pain. But they just don't penetrate deep enough to get inside your bladder. Trust me, I tried. And getting it off was no picnic either!

              The way to get lidocaine into your bladder is by instillation, and then of course you pee it out. But it helps for a while.

              I don't know anything about topical lidocaine gels, but the patches are incredibly expensive, and my local pharmacy still had them. So, as I think someone else suggested, maybe you should try a small, independently owned pharmacy.
              Je vous souhaite de la joie, de la bonne santée, et tout ce qu'il y a de bon dans la vie.
              Wishing you happiness and good health, and all the best out of life.

              Peace, Carolyn
              ___________________________________________________

              Laura (11), Susannah (12 1/2) and Maman (that's me!), North Wildwood NJ, September 2007


              On the Beach with IC

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              • #8
                I have Super D trying to see if they can order the lidocaine jet gels for me, so ya'll keep your fingers crossed! I have this topical gel stuff that I have no idea what to do with, since everything it has on the instructions is that it is used for the cath or for med personnel to use. My doctor had told me to use a q-tip to apply it to the opening of my uretha, but that is not where my pain is. I just want to get a hold of those syringes that inject the gel through my uretha. Like we know, I pee it out, but it gives my bladder a chance to quit spasing long enough or breaks the cycle or something.

                I have about 40 of those lidocaine patches left. I have used them for my shoulder that is sore sometimes and they seem to work. I also used a couple on my ankle shortly after they took my cast off after I broke a bone in my foot since my ankle was so tender.

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                • #9
                  I really like the patches... They do help with my pain when it gets really bad. It doesn't make it go away, but makes it more bearable. I did notice that when I leave it on for the recomended time (12 hours) it numbs the skin it was on.

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