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  • gma11
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    Re: Pudendal Nerve Fixed - Revised Version

    Originally posted by zacjupiter View Post
    Obviously I broke some IC site rules as my previous message was removed. This is a revised version without any references to the physiotherapist that helped me.

    I believe it is time for me to share my experience and, I hope, a lasting success.
    I was never officially diagnosed with Interstitial Cystitis, however I had a number of typical symptoms like irritation, urgency, frequency and sensitivity to acidic foods. My doctors could not establish an alternative diagnosis and IC was suspected based on a cystoscopy.

    About 4 months ago I started taking Cystoprotek and my symptoms improved, however the improvement levelled off after about 2 months. Then, by accident, I heard about a man with very similar symptoms, who was treated successfully by a physiotherapist for Pudendal Nerve Damage.
    At first, while researching on the internet, I couldn’t clearly recognise my symptoms as they typically talk about pelvic pain. However, after some further reaserch this diagnosis looked more plausible.
    I suffered the same symptoms about 3 years ago, which cleared after a course of antibiotics. I have to add that no bacteria could be found at any time. I started suffering the same symptoms about 8 months ago. I tried to find some common cause that could have triggered the onsets of symptoms both times. In between these two events I had hernia surgery and open heard surgery, but no surgery before the first event.
    One of the possible ways to damage the Pudendal nerve, according to some sources, is to ride a bike. I usually don’t ride bikes but I remembered that I hired a bike for a day about 3 years ago, and about 9 months ago I started going to a gym and rode an exercise bike there. After checking these dates and finding a good correlation, I decided to start the physio treatment.

    After approximately 5 weeks of treatment my symptoms improved significantly, with at least half of the days being symptom free. When I do get symptoms, they are less pronounced and do not last as long as they used to.

    I am incredibly lucky as this physio works where I live - in Brisbane, Australia. He seems to be very successful in treating people with similar (usually much stronger) symptoms. He cooperates with the local urologists and some international bodies involved in Pudendal Nerve treatment. He told me that he followed the treatment of a group of 40 patients and 37 of those 40 were completely free of symptoms after his treatment.
    The treatment consists of lower back manipulation and a set of exercises that are designed to loosen and strengthen the pelvic bone – spine connection. The lower back manipulation is similar to chiropractic treatments.

    I believe that many people who were diagnosed with non bacterial Prostatitis or Interstitial Cystitis, could be suffering from Pudendal Nerve Damage. In my case, I suspect that the initial irritation came from the nerve damage, which further resulted in the bladder irritation.
    What therapy did they use for Pudendal Nerve, was it injections or physical therapy. What exactly did they do?

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  • ICNDonna
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    Re: Pudendal Nerve Fixed - Revised Version

    Originally posted by painsad View Post
    Hi all,
    I am having symptoms almost identical to what I am reading in the threads here. Dull achy pain between my rectum and scrotum. this all came about a little over 15 months ago. I have seen my primary physician which went no where which led me to see a urologist. after having seen the urologist last year, he diagnosed me with levator ani syndrome. here I am a year plus later with the same dull pain that only comes on strong when sitting. if sitting on the toilet, non existent. standing, sleeping or working, no pain. only sitting. I went back to my urologist recently and this time around was scheduled for a cystoscopy that is upcoming in several days. based on the reasoning for the cystoscopy, I feel it is a bit hasty and drastic. wouldn't an MRI and ultrasound maybe make more sense to do first is one of the constant questions I keep on coming up with. if anyone can shed some light here to help me in which path to head down, that would be great! I am terrified of the procedure and really feel like it should be a last resort. or, am I completely wrong and maybe this is the first step? I used to ride my mountain bike for many hours weekly 3 months before the initial ache began. that's the only trauma I can relate if it can even be called trauma. I really am debating canceling the procedure and just dealing with the pain. any input would be extremely helpful. thx!
    to the IC Network. I'm glad you found us.

    I noticed that your post was a response to a very old thread (2008) --- I suggest you start a new thread to ask your question.

    Sending healing thoughts,
    Donna

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  • painsad
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    Re: Pudendal Nerve Fixed - Revised Version

    Hi all,
    I am having symptoms almost identical to what I am reading in the threads here. Dull achy pain between my rectum and scrotum. this all came about a little over 15 months ago. I have seen my primary physician which went no where which led me to see a urologist. after having seen the urologist last year, he diagnosed me with levator ani syndrome. here I am a year plus later with the same dull pain that only comes on strong when sitting. if sitting on the toilet, non existent. standing, sleeping or working, no pain. only sitting. I went back to my urologist recently and this time around was scheduled for a cystoscopy that is upcoming in several days. based on the reasoning for the cystoscopy, I feel it is a bit hasty and drastic. wouldn't an MRI and ultrasound maybe make more sense to do first is one of the constant questions I keep on coming up with. if anyone can shed some light here to help me in which path to head down, that would be great! I am terrified of the procedure and really feel like it should be a last resort. or, am I completely wrong and maybe this is the first step? I used to ride my mountain bike for many hours weekly 3 months before the initial ache began. that's the only trauma I can relate if it can even be called trauma. I really am debating canceling the procedure and just dealing with the pain. any input would be extremely helpful. thx!

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  • ouch_a_lot
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    Aaron, i can help you out, not sure how often Zac checks his messages. Ill PM you.

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  • Aaron
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    I have chronic pelvic pain with the usual symptoms, pain, frequency and the feeling of not emptying properly being the main ones. The uro(s) insist on IC and treating me with medication, which none have worked. The new uro wants to do another cystocopy(rigid!) and a possible biopsy. I've already been through all that less than 6 months ago and don't see the outcome being any different.

    Zacjupiter I'm local to you and would like to speak with your physio, please see your PMs thank you.

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  • RAS
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    I've had severe burning on my bottom (pernieum), I'm also have back pain --mostly since hernia repair, until a few months ago, I rode my ride ALOT, I've also had piriformis syndrome. Maybe this pudendal nerve should be looked at

    for 8 years I thought I had a hemorrhoid that flared, but when I'd feel the area, I said "it doesn't seem to be coming from my anus"...next to it. I've used a mirror and had my unwilling husband look at my bottom and he said nothing. but I'd do sitz baths and they'd go away. I always thought it strange that I'd get hemorrhoids when I didn't get them with either pregnancy in which I gained 45-50 pounds on my normal 115 frame and 9 pound babies.

    The uro while doing the hidro yesterday, saw this bump on my bottom and he sent it for biopsy.

    ps: I accidentally (he had it shipped to the office and didn't think it'd take only one day to deliver and I went in to see a client.....oops) found out that my husband bought me a sweet bike for Christmas......I hope to ride it some day.

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  • snfair46409
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    Tailbone

    I just read this thread and finally things are all starting to fall into place. I fell down a flight of stairs in May of this year and landed directly on my tailbone. I slid down the stairs on my rear and hit my tailbone over and over, probably 3 or 4 times. The pain was excrutiating, but it finally went away, and within a normal healing time. My mother is a nurse and she said that what I was feeling was normal and that there wasn't a lot that can be done for that type of pain. But at about the same time that the tailbone pain went away I begain to feel the pain in my urethra, around the tip and just inside, and a constant burning, stinging, tingling feeling near the urethra and vagina. Until now I hadn't connected the two. I am going to make a chiropractic appointment first thing in the morning!!!! Wow. I'm psyched!!!

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  • zacjupiter
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    My physio manipulation was more like chiropractor manipulation of the lower back. There were some backward leg bends and mostly torsional twists (he pushed the upper-middle body one way and pelvis area the other way) and sometimes that would produce strange cracking sounds. I can’t remember all the moves as I saw him the last time about 10 months ago.
    If you want something similar you could visit a chiropractor and ask him/her to loosen the lower back-pelvic area and then work on stretching and strengthening of the lower back, pelvic area and abdominal muscles that support the spine. For stretching I would recommend yoga and in particular sun salutation sequence. Another useful exercise is to be on all four (knees and hands) and then lift one leg back as far as you can and then the other leg and repeat that at least five times on each side.

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  • victoria/me
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    steroid cream

    Does anyone know if Clobetosol is something that can be prescribed without further testing. Also, could this interfere with the medicine I'm on? I'm taking elmiron, elavil and atarax..and aloe vera pills.
    My urologist is the one that I've been seeing for my possible IC diagnosis and for my symptoms, in general. So, could he prescribe it without me seeing him for this, specifically?

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  • notmybestday
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    Thanks for your response, zacjupiter.

    I can definitely believe that the pelvic region is totally interconnected. A spasm in one set of nerves or muscles gets the whole region going. It's awful.

    I would also be interested in what kind of work you got done, if you wouldn't mind sharing. I attended a few PT sessions and did mostly leg stretches that were aimed at muscle relaxation, but I didn't find any relief at all.

    Thanks.

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  • CarolinTexas
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    Couldn't agree more. Sitting is bad for me as well.

    Would you mind giving me the top three things you think helped most in physio? Things like internal lidocaine, trigger point location, tens unit electrode location (if used), medication or supplement use.

    I realize those are personal questions, so feel free to ignore or PM me.

    Thanks,
    Carol

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  • zacjupiter
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    My original message was not very different. The problem was that I provided contact details for my physiotherapist and how much he charges for the treatment. I thought that people that have no access to a physio that specialises in the pudendal nerve treatment (I believe there are only several around the world) might consider a holiday treatment in Australia.
    Of course there are many aspects to consider such as money, additional stress from travelling and that it might not work for you.
    I was considering to at least provide some photos or video with exercises that helped me.

    Sitting for longer periods does make things worse and if you read posts on the pudendal nerve sites it is often mentioned and I had the same problem. They say that the toilet seat is the best seat in the house, as it does not cause pressure on the sensitive area that is full of nerves. I often experienced improvement when I didn’t sit much.
    Another thing that was causing more irritation for me was any application of heat in the lower tummy area.

    I don’t have much more information to provide but if I can help in any way please let me know

    I believe that the pelvic area is so interconnected that one problem can cause another and what starts as a nerve irritation can finish as a full-blown IC. If the nerve irritation persists there is not much chance getting rid of the IC.

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  • notmybestday
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    zacjupiter -- Did you find that your symptoms got worse when you sat for long periods of time? I find that to be one of my biggest triggers.

    Actually, a physical therapist I saw briefly also suspected some form of pudendal neuralgia. Even if it isn't, I can kinda instinctively feel that things in my pelvic region aren't quite right. All the nerves are firing off at the wrong time, and I'm having some trouble with muscle control.

    Anyway, good for you for being proactive about things. I also wish I had tried some conservative things before going right to cysto/hydro.

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  • CarolinTexas
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    Hey LuvMaui, mine started with surgery also. They moved the rectus abdominis (during an anterior fusion) as well as smooshing lots of organs. I found a nice forum dedicated to pudendal nerve problems if you are curious. These people mostly acquired it from exercise such as bike riding (like ZacJupiter).

    ZacJupiter, would you mind PM'ing me your original uncensored original post? I'm curious as to what was left out. Could you please tell me what your symptoms were? Or refer me to an old post that might explain them in detail? I'd love to pick your brain if you have time.

    Donna, how is it usually diagnosed? EMG's are what I've heard.

    My pain doc referred me for IV therapy today (admission to hospital for pain treatment & cath involving large doses of medication). Sort of a surgery without the surgery to shock the pain away - my favorite kind! It would probably help as I'm drug resistant and have a hard time getting good break through pain relief.

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  • LuvMaui
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    I need to research the Pudendal Nerve. I was absolutely fine until I had a hysterectomy 2 years ago. During the surgery they moved some muscles that are connected to the pelvic floor, which share the same nerves that connect directly to the bladder muscles. Well.. during an IC flare I feel those muscles cramping a lot. I also have really serious low back pain during IC flares.

    I know something happened during that surgery that caused my IC. My Uro say's oh.. No... It's your age, it's your hormones, it's just unknown... I don't think he knows much about IC.

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