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    I just wanted to share what has been working for me. I sincerely hope it helps others. I was at a 4/5 on the pain scale for about two months but now I currently have next to no symptoms, just occassional twinges of discomfort usually set off my too much time in the car etc.

    I was initially diagnosed with IC in 96' via a hydrodistention proceedure. I'd had moderate symptoms for about a year at that point. After the proceedure, my sypmtoms improved over the course of 6 months until I had a complete remission. I was on no meds at the time, other than wicked amounts of Ibueprophen for the pain.

    My symptoms returned in Dec. 2010. This time I knew exactly what it was, and decided to try diet change, relaxation and herbal supplementation to get myself back on track. My symptoms cropped up during a period of high stress, so I think thats definately a trigger. Again, my symptoms were moderate, but being stressed out already, I was having a much harder time "dealing" with the pain and urgency than before. Plus, I didn't want to go thru the hydro again as I found it to be quite painful.

    I read practically everything I could find online about natural, more homeopathic ways to deal with IC. Here's what I've been taking/doing:

    Quercitin w/ Bromeline - Natural anti-histamine, available over the counter. Cheap! Helps to relax the smooth muscle tissue of the bladder.

    Desert Harvest Aloe Vera - Naturaly occuring Polysaccharide (Elmiron is apparently a synthetic poly - but they have essentially the same bladder coating action). Available online - not cheap, $68/month supply. But thats not too bad.

    Serrapeptase Dr's Best brand - this worked WONDERS for me!! This is a proteolytic enzyme which is a powerful anti-inflammatory. It has nearly no side effects (though it is contra-indicated for certain folks, like asthmatics). I felt dramatic results from this after just one day of use. I started taking this about 6 weeks after I'd been takding the Quercitin and Aloe, so I know it was the Serrapeptase. I did take really high doses of it (10 caps 3X daily) during the first two weeks of use, now I'm down to just 2 caps 2X daily. But I experienced no side effects and the anti-inflammatory properties really helped get my bladder pain under control. This has to be taken on an empty stomach, so that it can get into the small intestine before the capsule breaks open. If it opens in the stomach, the stomach acid will digest the enzymes, rendering them useless. Dr's Best Brand has enteric coated capsules, which helps prevent the capsule from breaking down in the stomach. A bottle is $13-$20 depending on where you purchase it, and can last anywhere from 3 days to a month depending on how much you have to take.

    Prozac (only prescription I'm on) - This my urologist gave me, mainly because he knew I was getting very depressed when my sypmtoms came back. But he also said it helps to relax the bladder and dull the pain signals in the brain. I don't like being on it, but it has really helped with my depression. I'll be asking my doc to ween me off of it pretty soon to see if I still need it.


    I also take Bovine Colostrum and Fish Oil daily to help boost my immunity, and marshmellow root extract, just to help keep my GI nicely coated in muccous.

    Cystoprotek - I read quite a bit about this and decided I'd like to try this too as an ongoing maintenance supplement. It has Quercitin as one of the ingredients, so I would obviously stop taking that. My only issue with this product is that is has Chondroitin Sulfate, which according to the companys literature suppresses the bodies release of proteolytic enzymes. I could not get any diffinative answer from the company regarding the interation of Chondroitin Sulfate and Serrapeptase (which is a proteolytic enzyme). I need to somehow figure out if one will cancel out the other before I start taking Cystoprotek. I'm a bit irritated that the only answer I could get from the manufacturers was "ask you medical doctor". Uh, thanks? I would think they would be the best people to address that question, but for reasons of liability I assume they will not be answering my question anytime soon.

    Diet Change - So I'm taking all these wonderful supplements, why detroy all that good work with a bad diet? I follow the IC diet quite strictly, though now that I'm feeling much better I'm slowly trying to add things back into my diet. I've been on the diet for 4 months now and I have to say its really not as bad as I thought it would be. After just a few weeks I stopped craving soda and chocolate. I really cut back on sugar and salt as those seemed to trigger pain for me. I mostly eat very minimally processed foods. A typical day's menu usually involved raw veggies, organic milk, raw cashews and almonds, dried dates (yum!) yogurt, organic whole wheat bread. You get the picture. I lost 15 lbs in two months because I stopped eating all that garbage (soda etc.).

    Relaxation - aside from using a heating pad on my abdomen (makes it much easier to fall asleep) I also made it a point to just relax. At first I was feeling so guilty that I couldn't work the way I used to, and that I was spending so much time in bed, etc. But after reading some pain management books, I came to the conclusion that guilt can really poison a person's healing process. So, now when I need a break I take one knowing that its essential to the process of getting myself "better".

    Meditation - This varies widely from person to person - anything can really be meditation whether is performing transcendental meditation, prayer, or stopping to really observe a moment of calm in your life. It helps to be thankful for those moments of less pain and moments of peace.

    Gentle exercise - yoga is usually my thing, but I think daily, gentle walks are good. Swimming would probably be a good option too. Anything no/low impact (don't want to giggle that tender bladder around) is good for me, since I think mild, daily exercise boosts the immunce system and keeps the body loose and relaxed.

    Chair Cushion - I fashioned myself a chair "cushion" out of folded towels. One towel for each "cheek" so to speak, with a gap between of 2". Much like the cushions that are available on this website. This makes long days at the office job a lot easier. I'll be purchasing one of the cushions form the ICN as soon as I can, since sitting on towels looks a bit goofy (but who cares right?)

    Ok - well, I think thats probably the longest post on this website. Yikes! If your still reading this, kudos! I hope your sitting on a comfortable cushion.

    I think I was able to get my symptoms under control so quickly (only about 3 months until I was "nearly" symptom free) because I hadn't had the symptoms for very long (only a month). I think for those who have been suffering for an extended period of time, it could take significantly longer to see solid results. Definatley give each supplement at least three months for a fair trial. And of course, please please take plenty of time to research any and all drugs/supplements that you decide to take. Everyone reacts differntly and I'm certainly no expert. I spent hours reading about my options to figure out what I thought was best for my situation.

    Best wishes to everyone, I hope you find some comfort and healing.
    Barbara

  • #2
    I'm glad you're feeling better. I would caution you, however, to take your list of medications, natural and otherwise, to a medical professional for review --- definitely do so before adding anything more.


    Donna
    Stay safe


    Elmiron Eye Disease Information Center - https://www.ic-network.com/elmiron-p...mation-center/
    Elmiron Eye Disease Fact Sheet (Downloadable) - https://www.ic-network.com/wp-conten...nFactSheet.pdf

    Have you checked the ICN Shop?
    Click on ICN Shop at the top of this page. You'll find Bladder Builder and Bladder Rest, both of which we are finding have excellent results.

    Patient Help: http://www.ic-network.com/patientlinks.html

    Sub-types https://www.ic-network.com/five-pote...markably-well/

    Diet list: https://www.ic-network.com/interstitial-cystitis-diet/

    AUA Guidelines: https://www.ic-network.com/aua-guide...tial-cystitis/

    I am not a medical authority nor do I offer medical advice. In all cases, I strongly encourage you to discuss your medical treatment with your personal medical care provider. Only they can, and should, give medical recommendations to you.
    [3MG]

    Anyone who says something is foolproof hasn't met a determined fool

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    • #3
      pain locations

      other than frequency and urgency in bladder (which is uncomfortable enough to be called pain), can you tell me where pain is comiing from? i have pain in my back could this be related? also, never heard of the pillow you mention, where do you get it and what is it supposed to relieve? I am new to diagnsis and can use any help.

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      • #4
        Valarie, the IC pillow is available in the ICN Shop --- there's a link at the top of this page.

        Donna
        Stay safe


        Elmiron Eye Disease Information Center - https://www.ic-network.com/elmiron-p...mation-center/
        Elmiron Eye Disease Fact Sheet (Downloadable) - https://www.ic-network.com/wp-conten...nFactSheet.pdf

        Have you checked the ICN Shop?
        Click on ICN Shop at the top of this page. You'll find Bladder Builder and Bladder Rest, both of which we are finding have excellent results.

        Patient Help: http://www.ic-network.com/patientlinks.html

        Sub-types https://www.ic-network.com/five-pote...markably-well/

        Diet list: https://www.ic-network.com/interstitial-cystitis-diet/

        AUA Guidelines: https://www.ic-network.com/aua-guide...tial-cystitis/

        I am not a medical authority nor do I offer medical advice. In all cases, I strongly encourage you to discuss your medical treatment with your personal medical care provider. Only they can, and should, give medical recommendations to you.
        [3MG]

        Anyone who says something is foolproof hasn't met a determined fool

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        • #5
          Hi Barbara

          Glad to hear you're doing so well.
          Originally posted by barbaraduperron View Post
          I need to somehow figure out if one will cancel out the other before I start taking Cystoprotek. I'm a bit irritated that the only answer I could get from the manufacturers was "ask you medical doctor". Uh, thanks?
          You might try your pharmacist. I've found when it comes to meds & even supplements they tend to be great sources for info on interactions & such.

          Vicki
          "The happiest people don't necessarily have the best of everything; they just make the best of everything they have."

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          • #6
            Valarie - my pain was mostly bladder related, but I often had vaginal pain as well. My urologist said it was all from the IC. Many IC folks have pain/discomfort in the back, bladder, entire abdomen - its different from person to person. The cushion, available on this website, is meant to relieve pressure on the groin area. Since there is an opening running thru the middle of the pillow, there is nothing touching your body in that area. It helped me quite a bit, since I have to sit for work all day long.

            BTW - I totally agree that one should ask their doctor about all the supplements that are taking. My urologist has my full list. Unfortunately, the sad fact is he had no idea what half of it was. So, I know more about my own treatment options than he does. I don't say this to disparage my doc, he's a very caring person, but I think western medical practitioners tend to overlook herbal/natural/non-pharm options for healing. I think its just not part of their educational process. I think I will ask my pharmacist about the supplement interactions as adviced by the last poster.

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            • #7
              New Doctor..new methods

              I have been to 6 Urologists before finding one who really knows how to treat IC. Without listing all the ones who failed me...here is the new regimen:
              Once a week, she is stretching the erethra for 3 visits..then will do instills
              (not with the DMSO formula which I had before with no results) Meds include Enablex, Prosed, a pain reliever and..This is crazy..a valium PILL inserted in the vagina at night. She is not an Elmiron fan unless you feel results in one yr. (I did not). But more than anything, she is compassionate and is presently treating and helping many IC patients. Also gave me a P.T. gal to go to, who also gave me a pilates gal to start with. Of course the IC diet goes with all this. It gets debilitating and depressing at times but the doc says I have to be patient..3-4 mos with all these treatments and help. I
              wish I was one of the girls who feel so much better in a short time. I read on this blog about the quercetin and will try it.

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              • #8
                I'm all for natural methods if they work. Unfortunately for me they really haven't helped. I have been taking cystoprotek and DH aloe vera for about a year without positive results that I can see. I keep taking them in the hopes they are doing something and I'd be worse without them. I guess I won't know unless I stop. I have enough aloe vera capsules for about 4 months so will go off of it at that point and see if I notice anything.
                What is helping me very rapidly is elmiron. I have been on it 3 weeks and feel I'm back to my pre worstening of symptoms that started 6 months ago. I can eat alot of foods/drinks again that I haven't been able to eat in months like yogurt and low acid coffee and wine without ill effects. I have even had a little salsa this week, (like a tbsp) and a little pepperjack cheese. I am feeling hopeful that its coating my bladder and can only attribute the lessening of symptoms to it. I wasn't very diet sensitive until 6 months ago when my symptoms became much worse. I would avoid too many tomatoes, citrus fruits, any carbonation, flavored water, stuff like that but could eat everything else.
                Cindi


                Gelnique for frequency/urgency - works great
                Macrobid after sex
                Prilosec, continuous birth control pills
                synthroid .088mg, mucinex-d, restasis

                Supplements: Desert Harvest Aloe vera, Cysta-q, prelief, magnesium and calcium, Vit D, flaxseed oil

                Diag Mild IC Jan 11 but have had symptoms for 25 years. Also have GERD, TMJ, IBS-C, chronic dry eye syndrome, hashimotos thyroiditis, non-allergic rhinitis.

                IC Diet Link: http://www.ic-network.com/diet/2009icdietlist.pdf
                AUA 2011 Guidelines to diagnosing and treating IC overview- http://www.ic-network.com/forum/showthread.php?p=571592
                AUA 2011 Guidelines to diagnosing and treating IC PDF: http://www.auanet.org/content/guidel...ent_ic-bps.pdf
                Great treatment flowchart on page 19 of the pdf

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                • #9
                  supplement purchase

                  Where do you purchase your supplements? I question the quality of the products available unless I can get a lead on a source. Thanks (for all your help)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by barbaraduperron View Post
                    Valarie - my pain was mostly bladder related, but I often had vaginal pain as well. My urologist said it was all from the IC. Many IC folks have pain/discomfort in the back, bladder, entire abdomen - its different from person to person. The cushion, available on this website, is meant to relieve pressure on the groin area. Since there is an opening running thru the middle of the pillow, there is nothing touching your body in that area. It helped me quite a bit, since I have to sit for work all day long.

                    BTW - I totally agree that one should ask their doctor about all the supplements that are taking. My urologist has my full list. Unfortunately, the sad fact is he had no idea what half of it was. So, I know more about my own treatment options than he does. I don't say this to disparage my doc, he's a very caring person, but I think western medical practitioners tend to overlook herbal/natural/non-pharm options for healing. I think its just not part of their educational process. I think I will ask my pharmacist about the supplement interactions as adviced by the last poster.
                    I agree. I am thrilled that my doc suggested Cystoprotek for me but other than that -most MD's are clueless about alternatives. there is not much point in talking to them about it other than giving them the list. My dr didn't even know what MSM was even though i've read so many people being helped by it.

                    This post really gives me hope. I am doing only natural stuff right now and i hoping it helps.


                    wife, mom to three, theater professional
                    diagnosed- "mild" IC Feb 10, 2011
                    symptoms started on and off Nov 2010
                    urgency, frequency, general bladder discomfort,itching, and other nasty feelings
                    I am going completely holistic with herbs and diet to heal

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